I'll Die Behind the Mic. There's No Plan B | Rich Berra

So fill in the blank.

It all ends In your career?

When what happens?

Oh, I'm probably gonna die behind the microphone.

Is that right?

And especially with the sleep schedule, probably next Thursday.

[laughing] Save this.

It'll be on.

And then I'll visit you as a ghost guest.

I like what you guys have done with the place.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, man.

Hard to believe that this was Scott's apartment.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm big into interior design.

Apparently he's likes the modular look.

No.

He likes the modular look.

Yeah.

You can't see up a, it's all

This is beautiful.

What is this?

Etsy?

The setsy?

This is nice.

Rich Mahogany.

Yeah, Rich Mahogany.

Rich Corinthian leather.

It's Ikea, bro.

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Everyone, Mike Lindstrom, my man Scott Leese, "What's

Your Story?" Back in the mix!

Hey, you remember, JohnJay?

Yeah, of course.

What'd you think about that guy?

How could I forget?

What'd you really think about that guy, huh?

You mean the guy who came in and just started interviewing us?

[laughing] That guy?

Which was the best.

That JohnJay?

Yes!

Yeah, I remember him.

So remember we said at the beginning of the year, one of our goals

was to get both pieces of the pie, right?

So we had JohnJay on, but it wouldn't be complete unless we got the other half

- Scott Leese: Yeah, Rich.

Rich Berra to come on.

And he agreed to come on the show today.

That's who we have.

And so I wouldn't even call him a personality.

He's bigger than that.

This is nationwide.

He's gonna talk about some of the shows he's working on, but in all

seriousness, iHeartRadio, DJ, radio personality lives here in the valley,

but pipes out, all over North America.

And he's a friend of a friend.

So when JohnJay said, "Hey, you gotta get my guy Rich on here, he's got better

stories than I have." I said, "It's a no-brainer." So we gotta get him out here.

So Rich Berra, thanks for coming on the show, man.

This is an honor and I really like your avatars that are behind me.

So Mike kinda looks like he should be hurling out insults

to the Starship Enterprise.

He's like some space villain.

[laughing]

What about him?

And Scott looks like a poster for, you know, like, I would tell my

child avoid this person in the park.

[laughing]

Much more handsome person.

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

I feel like Mike's giving a little Phil Collins a little bit.

You guys see that?

I can see it.

Like present era, Phil Collins.

I like it.

Yeah.

I like that.

I haven't heard that one, so I'm gonna go with it.

[laughing]

I'm gonna go with it.

All right, so we start off every question you can see right behind us

is "What's Your Story?" So you give us your timeline from beginning to

end and then we're gonna jump in.

We're getting into family, career.

From, like primordial ooze?

Yes, let's go.

Okay.

So the reason I'm here is because I was riding home when I was five

years old, with my friend's parents.

The, we were carpooling.

My parents, my dad listened to the news.

My mom was an opera singer, choir singer, so church music and show tunes.

In the back of a Pinto, like a 76 Pinto, smelled terrible like cigarettes

in the roof liner was all leaky.

And the guy turned up the radio and it was Foreigner's "Hot Blooded." And I was

like, "What is that?" I was obsessed.

And then I heard a guy coming on and talking.

I'm like, "What is that?" I get dropped off, my dad's making dinner.

I said, "Dad, do you have a radio?" And he hands me a transistor.

I run into my room and I find what sounds like the music that I heard.

And the next song I heard was Don McLean, American Pie.

And I was hooked on rock music.

I hadn't heard anything like it.

And I was hooked on what those people did.

And I was like, I have to do this.

I have to either be the guy that talks about the music or play the music.

I begged my parents for a guitar.

Poor little Italian family in St. Louis, they couldn't afford a guitar, but

they could afford accordion rentals.

[laughing] So [laughing] I ended up proving I was serious by like

playing the crap out of an accordion.

Then, my grandfather got me a guitar and I was done like that.

I mean, I kind of still have the same job.

When I was 14, I ended up here in this radio station when we moved across town

in St. Louis and I just got on my bike and I rode up to where I thought it was.

And it was a YMCA owned 100 watt radio station.

They were playing alternative music.

It was 1984, that ages me, but, I was 14 and I asked if I could help out.

Not like this.

I was like, Could I help out here, sir?" And they let me.

I ended up working there and because, stations were like looking for

kids to go on the radio and I was already working on the radio, I got

a job at a big station when I was 16 and ended up like working over.

I don't know why my parents let me do this.

16, I would drive to downtown St. Louis, do overnights on the weekends,

help out the morning show, then go to my job cleaning grocery stores at four

or five AM, then go to high school.

Wow.

Oh my goodness.

And then shortly thereafter, you were like within

a year and a half or two, you were pretty much running the show there.

I was the program director of this radio station that I was working

at the little tiny 100 watt station.

And then I ended up producing the morning show and, I was still in high school.

I was a junior and then a senior.

And then at that time, my mom was real sick too.

So clean the grocery store, go to high school, hang out with my mom in hospice at

the time, like sleep there for a few hours and then it would start all over again.

But I loved it.

I loved the radio so much and was playing in bands too.

So I still get to do that.

Can you still play the accordion?

[laughing] I still can a little.

Can you really?

Guitar's a little better than accordion.

How many people do you know that play the accordion?

One.

I know one.

I literally know no one.

Listen, it doesn't get as many chicks as you would think.

[laughing]

I would think it would.

You know, I mean, nobody's really like impressed

to hear a polka on accordion.

It's like, Let's make out." That just doesn't happen afterwards.

[laughing]

You've been in radio your whole life.

My whole life, yeah.

Yeah.

That's why if you have that question, What would you do if you weren't

in radio?" I tell you, the radio guys I know that have been doing it for a while,

we literally panic when you ask us that question because there's no plan B. There

still isn't a plan B. What am I doing?

Real estate?

So

[laughing]

Yeah.

So question about that.

As platforms have come out, like Spotify and things like that, and people arguably

listen to music on the radio itself less than they used to, does that send guys

like you into a little bit of a frenzy of

Do you get the little,

What's the

Little crick in your neck?

Yeah, whoa, what's the future of this business?

I think other mediums have done a good job of trying to reposition

radio as being something outdated, but there's still like 90% of Americans

listen to the radio every week.

It's like 95% actually.

Wow.

So I talk about this all the time.

If radio had never been an invented and it came out today, we would

think it's the biggest miracle ever.

Like you could be, I don't know, it's celebrity theater watching

a band like Heart play and broadcast that across the world.

And the people listening in Japan are gonna hear a Heart song before

the people in the eighth row.

That's because radio is a mediated so fast and it's free and it can go everywhere.

We would think that was the greatest invention ever.

Sometimes it gets a little like, with internet and other things.

I think, people forget how magic and powerful that is.

And AM radio is still powerful.

People still, rely on that.

Even though I kinda think it gets a bad rap, I think radio probably needs

better marketing, than it has right now.

But still a very powerful medium.

We still do a podcast.

We're on Spotify.

We're on, the iHeartRadio app.

We have our show on YouTube.

We're everywhere anybody can listen.

Yeah.

So I don't know how many people have radios in

their houses anymore, but you still have them in your cars.

Yeah.

So you've had to expand and grow your skillset along

- Rich Berra: Of course!

…the way then.

Yeah.

Cause it's not just about being on the radio.

Now it's

- Rich Berra: We were just talking before this about how it used to be they

didn't want cameras in the studio.

We are probably days away from streaming everything live.

Right.

Even when we're in commercials, you wanna watch us

talk about what's coming up next?

We'll stream that too.

Because a lot of people will turn on their TV and go to Apple TV and go to YouTube

like, "Oh, there's that show." You might not listen to it on a radio, but you might

watch it while you're doing other things.

Or if you're in your car, I think people, when they tune into a podcast

like this or watch a podcast like this, they're along for the ride.

Mm-hmm.

They're tuning in for something specific.

Where radio, kinda like what we do, we've learned that people

kinda check in and check out.

So we try to do something that's sort of entertaining at any

moment that you can listen.

You might just pop in and hopefully you hear something that's

like, Oh, that's kinda funny."

What do your contemporaries say around the country?

I know you guys have a very

They're looking for rooftop access.

[laughing]

I've been fans for you guys from afar for a long time.

And when you and I met, this is when I met Rich was at social event back

in the quarters a long time ago.

You were with Carey Peña and a bunch of people who I knew,

but I didn't know you guys.

So that's how long I've been watching you guys.

But your culture and what you guys have built is such a

unique thing in the country.

But when you talk to the people saying, "Hey, we maybe don't have that kind of

culture and the same kind of funness and all the things that we do, the

games and all the, the, the bits that you do." Some people don't want that.

They're like, "Hey, I went to radio for a reason."

Hmm.

Not to have all these cameras in my face and doing

all the streaming." What's the general consensus around that?

You adapt or you're probably not gonna be in the business

anymore and there's unfortunately

- Mike Lindstrom: Yeah.

…a lot of that.

You know, JohnJay and I, we've been doing our show for 25 years now.

You don't think that we've been through a million focus groups where they

tell you, You gotta do this and you gotta do that." Or, bosses that have

come in and said, "The world's moving this way." And you have a few things.

You have research, which tells you one thing, and then you got

your gut check as an entertainer.

And then, me, I bounce a lot of stuff off my kids, their friends.

You kinda watch where the world's going.

And our job is to be the purveyors of kinda what's trending in the world.

Like our job is to read the mob.

You're on the pulse.

You have to be on the pulse of things.

Gotta, gotta read the mob a little bit.

And you don't wanna be too hip for the room, you don't

wanna be too far ahead of it.

But you certainly in the day of social media don't wanna be too far behind it.

And too far behind it now is not weeks, it's hours and you can be behind it.

And so we work really hard to stay on top of stuff.

And we have lots of good people.

Our crew is the best we've ever had

- Mike Lindstrom: Yeah.

…right now.

You guys are MVPs, man.

Where do you stand on social being, let's use John as an example.

He's wide open.

Yeah.

He'll do the unboxing.

He's got his kid.

You everything, the inside of his home, his dogs.

Yeah.

And they go on your Instagram, for example, I

can see there's a difference.

I haven't seen a lot of posts, like, let's say in the last few weeks where

he's moment to moment, day in, day out.

Yeah.

What's your belief about that relative to your

brand, not the company's brand?

The best, the biggest part of, I think, the brand

is the JohnJay and Rich brand.

So I like to do stuff that goes there first.

If I'm putting a lot of energy into something, I want to show the radio

station social to be number one.

And then the personal one, to me, I use as a character builder.

So there might be something that I don't really talk about on the show,

but it's interesting enough that it

- Mike Lindstrom: Like your kids.

I saw stuff about your kids.

Well, there you go.

Yeah.

I think I just posted something about me and my kid, Audrey

I saw that.

Going to Dutch Bros.

Yep.

Because she's moving to New York, in like four hours actually.

She wanted to get to Dutch Bros. I don't know if I talk

about that on the air or not.

Maybe, but I know listeners are sort of interested in something like that.

So that's something I might just do on social.

Yeah.

Or if there's something that I want evidence of that I've witnessed.

That's something crazy, like, "Oh my God, I can't believe that I'm

behind a truck with two porta-potties that are getting ready to fall out.

I need to tape this and bring this to the show." Like I'll do that.

Something that I'll put up there, it's to talk about it later.

And a lot of times what I'll do is I'll even wait for a listener

to call and ask about it.

I won't force the issue.

I'll just wait for somebody to call and ask.

I like things to be a little organic.

I don't know if that's exactly the smart way to do your social media,

but it seems to do okay for us.

And, we're not the same people on our show.

You've got all kinds of walks of life.

JohnJay is very open.

I mean, he wouldn't mind, "Hey, I just went to the bathroom. Here's a video."

I would never, that's just not my world where, for me, it's like, see something

cool, see something that I think, backs up the personality or maybe builds the

character or it's something unusual.

So I'm a little more sparing on that.

Yeah.

But I put the show's Instagram in front of everything

else, because that's the big brand.

This is a tributary.

My Instagram's a little, you know that's a river off the Nile.

Yeah.

[laughing] It's funny, this morning when, John was, when it's going live,

he saw my comment and he said, "Man, I gotta pee. I gotta pee. I gotta pee."

Yeah.

And he got him, I gotta get a coffee too." And

he's walking, walking, walking.

And I've only been in that studio a couple times, so I know generally what it was.

There's the red room, which is where the coffee is, right?

The red room of pain.

Yeah, that's

- Rich Berra: Which we call the snack room.

Snack room.

Snack room.

It's all like bright red.

But then John's standing there and he looks like he's taking a pee.

And I'm like,

[laughing]

"Is he taking a pee right?" He's like,

"hey, I'm not taking a pee.

I'm getting a coffee." but in my mind, I'm like, He would totally do that. Like

he would just have the camera sitting there talking to himself." But in my

mind, I know that that's not your style.

So

- Rich Berra: No.

…do you guys ever have, I don't wanna say, in a bad way,

but true conflict where you're like, I, vehemently disagree with that." Or do

you guys always roll in same direction?

25 years, yeah.

We've definitely had to pick our battles.

But not really.

I would say if he feels really strongly about something, it's kinda.

He's how we do the show.

Okay.

From, from the beginning of time, I know if he's not into something,

it's not gonna be fun on the air.

So how we usually do it is I'll pitch him a bunch of stuff in an email the

night before, and I'll wait for him to go, "Hey, that was pretty funny.

We should do that." Or I'll pitch him something in the studio or vice versa.

If one person's really into it and they think it's got, enough water to

get off the ground, then we'll do it.

But if one person's like, "Eh," then you know it's not gonna flow the same way.

But, I will say that I'm a little more go with the flow than he is, where he

likes to know where things are going.

And he's a little rigid like that.

Which is cool.

I think it works pretty good like that.

Do you know, we've never discussed our show roles with each other.

We just figured it out.

Wow.

Yeah.

It's a, like it, from day one.

So here's how it would work.

We would do our own press releases.

And I know he wants to be like PT Barnum and put them out everywhere.

I'm concerned about the wording.

So I would write him up, be like, "What do you think of this?" He's like, What if

you change this and this?" I go, change it, send it to him, he sends it out.

So same thing.

We prepare a show, he's got the show sheet.

He plugs in, we're gonna talk to this person here and then maybe a game here

where I'll just pitch What if, we do a game where we slap each other in

the face with tortillas with our mouth full of water?" that's how it works.

It's, I don't know why it works, but you were asking about other shows around

the country and how they don't, or other radio people and they don't do what we do.

And, I think that morning radio is like the last frontier of let's

have fun and let's be creative.

I think the rest of the day parts can be a little more regimented.

They're certainly not wide open and crazy like we are.

And we definitely try to, push the limit.

Like I think our show is the best when it's just a little unhinged.

We don't want it to get too out of control, but just a little weird.

It's good,

You do a good job of, sometimes I've had discomfort where

you're calling somebody and franking them like somebody's cheating on someone.

Yeah.

And I'm like, Oh man, this is tough."

We've run into those people later too.

I bet.

Yeah.

And I'm not a real strong fighter.

I can run fast.

You'll never catch me.

Explain to the people.

Like what are some of the bits that you guys do with that are, that tow the line?

That come back.

Explain some of those.

That come back on you.

We did the war, this is actually when my kids were a little smaller.

We were shopping at a mall at Christmas time and we do a bit

called War of the Roses where, people suspect somebody's cheating on them.

We'll call the guy, off him a dozen red roses to see who we sent him to.

In this case, he did not send them to his wife.

And I bumped into him at SanTan Mall when I was shopping with,

Christmas shopping with my kids.

Way, way.

Most people are larger than me, taller than me anyway.

And he looked like he, he was gonna.

I though I was gonna get my ass handed to me in front of my children.

[laughing]

My daughter at the time, I wanna say she was like six or seven.

And the guy's like, Hey, are you Rich Berra?" And my daughter's all proud

like, "Tell him what you do, dad." I'm like, "No, no, no." [laughing]

He's like, "Yeah, I was on 'War'.

You guys busted me." Fortunately, this guy's like, "It's okay.

It was over anyway." He's like, "You probably did me a favor."

Dodged a bullet there.

Yeah, things can get scary sometimes.

Is there any other bits like that, that kind of toe the line?

That's the one that always makes me a little bit uncomfortable.

Any other bits then?

We've been, I don't know if I'm still allowed to talk about it.

We've been followed by the Secret Service.

We've had our phones tapped.

We've had

Oh my God.

Oh, yeah.

I don't wanna say the bit.

No.

I will just say that, we were banned for life from

Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.

We were being really irresponsible and got really close to somebody

very high, in public office.

And that person was not happy about it.

So for a long time, we were in big, big trouble.

And, you know, have you.

I don't know if anybody's ever had their phone.

My, my family's Italian, so we're used to this.

You used to phone taps?

When you have your phone tapped, it's pretty obvious.

[laughing] I'd be talking to my wife and I'd be like, I should be

home around four." And you're just. [mimicing radio static] "Yeah, Jerry,

do you wanna get me a sandwich?

I can't ever eat a whole one.

Just give me a half.

[laughing] Just give me.

No, not pastrami." So I mean, you know, you know you're being tapped.

In fact, JohnJay and I shared an office, and we were writing a press release.

And we had gotten an email from the Secret Service saying, We know you

guys think that being followed by the Secret Service is pretty, you

know, like, that's a badge of honor.

Do not put this out there.

Do not send any emails." And I'm reading it to JohnJay at his desk and he's

like, "The news should know about this." My phone rings and the Secret Service

is like, "Yeah, tell your partner.

We saw 14 emails go out talking about this.

Stop it." So [laughing] we've definitely been, like, we don't

break those rules anymore.

[laughing]

Wow.

And we really didn't even know back then, like, we

didn't know the climate of the nature of espionage at the time.

No, we didn't know any of that stuff, so.

How are you, measuring the success of the show at this point in time?

You've taken stations from, I don't know, top 20 to number one or whatever.

We've also taken them from number one to number 20.

We didn't even know there were 23 stations in Vegas until we went to number 20.

Till you went to the bottom?

Yeah.

[laughing] how are you measuring success?

Is it, how many markets you're in?

Is it how many advertising dollars it brings in?

Is it listenership?

Sure, you got a whole bunch of different markers of success.

But when you say how do I measure success?

Yeah, which ones are you paying attention to?

If the clients that we do commercials for are happy

and they're seeing a return on their investment, awesome.

That's everything.

Cause if you've got a lot of good clients, then you probably

What is the ROI that they're measuring that by?

Is it, I spent a dollar and I made two?

Is

- Rich Berra: Sure, probably

- Scott Leese: …it more?

…something like that.

It's probably not a loss.

I don't, I don't exactly know what that number would be for each client.

I really don't.

But if they're seeing success of Pat Hickey's selling cars because

they heard it on JohnJay and Rich at Peoria Ford, then he's

probably gonna keep on advertising.

And that's a big part of the job.

And then there's ratings, which means that you could charge

more for your commercials.

Mm-hmm.

And that's kind of funny because, I mean, we're on a

lot of markets, and some markets were more number one by a lot.

And other markets, we're not.

We're, struggling to get to the top five.

Mm-hmm.

And it's the same exact show.

Right.

And it's like, well, what do we need to do different?

So you can get really caught up in that.

What JohnJay and I do is we're very aware of it, but we try

not to get too into the weeds.

What we try to do is make every single moment, every single break that we can

as entertaining as we possibly can.

And we still talk about breaks before we do them.

We've never once just popped off, open the mic and we go, "Let's go." Not

even one time in our whole career.

And you're not trying to steer the show in one direction.

Let's say, you're not where you wanna be in New York.

And so you're like, "Hey, we should have some bits specifically

about New York to try to, get us higher in that particular area."

You talk about that, but, the thing that's better

than all that is being better.

If it's great, it doesn't matter.

So how do you get better

Well, you check yourself.

…at being a radio host?

You don't get lazy.

You check yourself, you work, you prep.

You go over game film, because our podcast, we listen to our podcasts.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't think we've had a great show yet, ever.

Like ever.

I'll listen to it and be like, "Oh, I shouldn't have said that." I'm not

slamming on the other people on the show because they're all talented.

I kinda come after my own presentation like, "Why did I. If

I could've done that, I would've edited out that, that part of it."

Mm-hmm.

This podcast is gonna be a mess after your edit.

I'm gonna, I'll probably be staring at a ceiling fan for five hours

going, "Why did I say that?"

[laughing]

Why did I say that?

[laughing] so success is a lot of those things.

Most of them, for me, are financial.

At the end of the week, I'll think about what my favorite moments

were, and did we honestly laugh?

Did we honestly make somebody's life better?

Or, it doesn't have to be hilarious.

I mean, My favorites are ridiculous, funny stuff that's, out of control.

That's my favorite brand of what we do.

I don't think anybody does stupid as well as we do stupid.

And I love that kind of humor.

Always have.

But also, just today, we gave.

It's just simple.

We got $500 bucks to give to a teacher to, like, pimp out her classroom, kindergarten

teacher, and she was so grateful.

The kids are so sweet.

That kind of stuff, too.

It's like now you're doing something in the town that you live in, the

town that you work in, and that year's gonna be better for those kids.

That stuff is awesome.

Yeah.

The work we do with foster kids, you know,

we're really trying our best.

And we don't really talk about it on the show because you can't talk about

it a lot, is we're trying to find kids permanent homes that have been passed

around from foster home to foster home.

And I mean, if you drive from Phoenix, you see a lot of people that are living on the

street, probably there's a fentanyl angle.

There might be kids involved.

They might not ever see that.

They may be severed forever from their kids, and it's not

those kids fault, you know?

So we try to use our giant bullhorn of a radio show

Uh-huh.

To create awareness of that as much as we can.

But we also have, the charity arm of Love Up, which we do, works tirelessly.

I bet you we talk about 2% of what Love Up does for kids, but

it's still important stuff to do.

Yeah.

That's success.

You know, I think the biggest measure is if we were off the radio

tomorrow, would people miss us?

That I think is probably what do you think the high bar of success is.

Revenue's great, you gotta have it.

Not sexy to me.

Ratings are great, you gotta have them.

You just can't dwell on that.

Having people say, "I've been listening to you guys, and you've gotten me

through some hard times," everything.

Yeah.

If we were gone tomorrow, would people miss us?

I think would be the measure of, if it was successful.

Is there something that you guys have not yet done or not yet

achieved that you're still shooting for?

Wow.

Yeah.

I'd say there's a lot of things.

[laughing] I told you we haven't had the perfect show yet.

I would love to be like, "That's the best show we've ever done."

You quit?

"Send it to the Hall of Fame."

Quit after that show.

"I'm out!" No, I wouldn't do that.

We always talk about this.

You knowwhen Powerball gets as big as it's been?

If we win the Powerball, we'd still come in, right?

Yeah, we'd still come in.

We'd still come in and do our show.

JohnJay and I are usually among the first people there.

We'd beat a lot of the producers there, a lot of the other morning shows there.

That's because we're still hungry.

We still feel like it's our first show and we're auditioning to stay on the next day.

Mm.

That's, I think, a pretty healthy way.

Oh, maybe it's not.

[laughing] I remember talking to my wife, when we first started dating,

and she's like, "How did today go?" And I'm like, "Well, the show was okay,

so I'm okay." She's like, "what do you mean?" I'm like, "If the show was

good, I'm generally in a good mood."

Yeah.

"If I didn't have a great show, I'm probably not in a good

mood. It's quiet for a while." And she's like, And are we gonna work

on this on our life path at all?

Are we gonna are [laughing] we gonna be someplace we don't have

a great show and you're okay?" I'm like, I hadn't even thought about

that. That even occurred to me."

Yeah, "that's possible?"

When you come home and you're in a pissed off mood or your wife

goes, I could tell you're off today.

I didn't listen to the show, but you're off." What's a bad show?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's always, for me, lack of connection, because

that's what these shows, this show should connect with somebody.

That's what it's really all about.

In fact, I still use a Franklin planner.

I still write out

Love it.

Love it.

I still write it out every day.

And I borrowed this thing from the Five Minute Journal.

I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

Yeah.

Very familiar.

But it tells you, like, every day, what am I grateful for?

Yeah.

What would make today great?

Instead of buying a bunch of those, in my planner, I just

do the exercises in my planner.

What am I grateful for every day?

What do I wanna work on?

And I always write, what would make today great?

And sure, there's a ratings thing, but at the top of the list is always

connecting with the audience and the teamwork and the camaraderie of the crew.

Because if that doesn't connect, if you try something that doesn't

work or, bad days are when bad things happen in the community that

Yeah.

That, you know, kinda mess your heart up when stuff happens to kids,

it's bad, you know, well, really bad news that kinda turns the vibe of the

show around, mass shooting somewhere.

Those are bad days because you wonder about what your role is.

Should you talk about it and let people vent?

Or do you acknowledge it and then try to be fun?

What do people come to us for?

Those are struggles for us.

Yeah.

And those can be bad days.

I think, when you miscommunicate and maybe you're trying to coach somebody

along and they take it wrong and they tunnel out, then you, come home and

you feel like you failed that process.

Yeah.

Because we try that all the time.

We have lots of young people on our show and they don't have the

benefit of the years that we have.

And I, for one, talk pretty fast, and I don't have the blessing of patience.

So I might whip through what I think makes total sense.

You get the thing, you put them on you, and then they look at you

like a deer in the headlights, and then you start getting frustrated.

So then you talk faster because now you're in a hurry because the song's ending.

And you wanna get your point across.

And it might seem like you're cutting somebody in two when

you're not, you're just in a hurry.

And I know me and JohnJay are both like this.

We don't want anybody to leave with a bad experience from the show,

but the show moves at such a speed that you can't always be polite and

also in a hurry because 10 seconds is left and the mics are going on.

I need this.

So when those disconnect and people leave with a bad taste in their mouth,

that, that'll make me have a bad day.

Yeah.

So Pamela Hughes was on our show from KTAR and, the Vegas shooting

Yeah.

Just broke her.

We were there the week before in that spot.

That, she, that's one of the reasons why she left radio.

I bet.

Because she was, she doesn't have the fun show.

She's delivering the news.

Yeah.

At that, at that time.

And she's like, "Mike, Scott, I just, I was sick and tired." I have his Riley's

her daughter, who at the time was like nine or eight or nine or whatever.

She's like, "That's somebody's parents out there. Like I have to deliver this

bad news. And I had to look at myself and do I really love this anymore?" And

that was, she shared it on the couch.

That was one of the reasons why she left.

What's she doing now?

She's doing life coaching.

She has her own podcast.

She's doing stuff that she was passionate about.

Turned it around.

She turned it around.

She turned around and made it positive.

She needed positivity in her life.

Correct.

Correct.

For us, the show is the best positivity.

Yeah.

It's if they came to us tomorrow and said, Would you guys do

another 30 years?" We'd be like, "Yeah, no problem." And we'd have the interview.

Would you do 30 years of the news every day?

Would we do 30 years?

I would not do 30 years of the news.

No.

Yeah.

It's a different ballgame altogether.

Yeah.

Maybe if it was a morning show where, the last half

of the show, you get to have fun.

They all have the front side is like doom and gloom.

Yeah.

And then we're like, "We're gonna talk about fun socks."

[laughing]

I was gonna ask you about that because some of the morning

show, even the Valley or otherwise in the country, it's, there's no music.

It's just talk show.

Mm-hmm.

But you guys have that urgency.

You're like, "Okay, song's coming in." Doesn't that.

It's like an urgency that's always there.

Does that stress you out?

No.

Cause to your point, you talk fast, you're thinking fast.

Is that just how you do it anymore?

It doesn't affect you?

We've definitely done our show.

In fact, we did our show for maybe eight or nine years

where we didn't play any music.

And the music is such a important part of the identity of KISS,

the station that we're on.

Big, popular, top 40.

And people love that.

They love the connection to something new, cool, popular,

like that, that kind of thing.

And I like it too.

I love it that my playlists are still cooler than my 19-year-olds.

I love it.

It's getting close now.

It's getting close because she's dipped back and she's like, "Oh yeah."

It's going back to the stuff that you were listening to.

Yeah, she's like, "I got Bruno Mars, but I also got a little

something from News of the World from Queen. What about that, DAD?"

[laughing]

Talk about family.

I wanna hear about the family, the kids, what.

Yeah.

So between my wife and I, there are five kids all from 22 to 16.

So they're all jammed in the, like ready to launch them off.

And it's weird, my daughter's been in New York now.

This is her third year in New York, and she takes off tomorrow.

And I was hugging her last night.

I'm like, "You're my best friend. What am I gonna do when you're gone?" it sucks.

If it's worse.

Look, I'm tearing up talking about it.

It's worse now than it was almost when she first started, because

she was home for such a long time.

It's like she does so much stuff that feeds that soul.

But also, you gotta let them spread their wings and go Take on the world.

And, you know, I can see she's unstoppable.

I'm not worried about her career, I just miss her.

Fortunately all of our kids are quirky and cool.

And, some of them are, like, so smart.

I don't know.

They must have not gotten that bad baby batter from my gene pool.

I don't know [laughing] how they surpassed that.

But it's great having them all around.

Not all five of them are home.

My daughter, is off in college.

And Stacy, my wife, who's brilliant, her oldest son's going to law

school, very young, graduating early, starting law school.

And then so we have two or three that are home most of the time.

And I love it.

I like the noises in the house.

I like the dogs running around.

I'm not a good guy for quiet, as you can tell.

There's been zero dead space in this conversation.

[laughing]

That's the way we want it, man.That's the way we want it.

Yeah.

So family's everything to me.

Has the schedule been hard?

Oh, yeah.

It's the hardest.

I can't

What time do you wake up?

I wake up at 3:25.

It's not like exactly conducive to a, the

traditional, normal, healthy fam

- Rich Berra: I'll tell you this.

…family parenting background and whatnot.

Like

To your point, Scott, it's harder than it used to be.

It's harder.

Because I think I, I told you I cut my teeth doing, overnight,

then going and cleaning grocery stores, then going to high school.

And I sleep a little in the afternoon.

I trained myself on four, three hours of sleep since I was 17.

I am not 17 anymore.

And, I started feeling, because I played in bands too.

And you'd be in a casino and you're not offstage till

sometimes three in the morning.

So that's 24 hours of being not just up, but up and on

- Scott Leese: Yeah.

Because you're performing.

It's not like you're just sitting back and having a drink

somewhere or watching a TV show.

And I remember playing, I can even tell you what song it was.

We were playing a Guns N Roses song.

And in the middle of it, my head went somewhere else and I'm like, What song

are we playing?" I was that tired, basically deprived of sleep drunk.

And I'm like, "we had another hour.

I'm not gonna be able to caffeine this up." And then I realized the next day, it

hurt like I'd been through a car wreck. And I'm like, "This is where it starts.

You gotta start pacing yourself." The schedule's never been great.

I remember when I first started, I was producing when I was 18.

You're young, you're fine.

Okay, but you still need sleep.

You're still human.

You still need

- Scott Leese: Yeah.

…to drink water and sleep.

And I remember a doctor telling me, an ENT who told me, because I was

getting strep throat all the time.

He's like, "I can continue to prop you up on antibiotics and, steroids."

But he's Now that you're getting this, your body's gonna be more prone to it.

We need to talk about sleep hygiene." I'm like, Sleep hygiene?" [laughing]

He's like, "You really should be getting seven, eight." I'm like, "That's like

half the day." [laughing] So now, my kids are old enough now where they

don't need me to do anything for them.

I'm like, "Night going to bed."

[laughing]

What's your average?

You go to bed what time?

I usually crash out before nine now.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I usually do.

I'm usually.

And what'll happen is my wife, she's great.

She'll come in with me and lay down and read a book or whatever

and, watch TV or whatever.

And I'll just be like, "Are you okay if I peace out?" And she tells me all the

time it's usually within 30 seconds.

Yeah.

Wow.

Like I'm out in 30 seconds.

So I gotta tell you a story.

I told this with John.

You know he did that bit where you pull up in his house

Yes.

In the dark?

Yeah.

Did he tell you this or no?

No.

Okay, because on his podcast, I though that was real.

[laughing] A lot of people do.

So he punked me even on the show.

He's like, "Oh yeah." And then offline, he's like, "You know that's

a bit, right?" And I, go, Dude, I did not know that was a bit.

I thought for real, "this awesome guy gets up every effing day, drives to

John's house, picks him up every morning

-" Rich Berra: with a fresh cup of coffee.

Every morning with a fresh cup of coffee and takes him to the studio.

I literally thought that was true.

Did you ever think, like, how do they get home?

Cause…

[laughing] I

Though you drove.

I never even.

It never crossed my mind.

I just though you guys had your routine.

I'm like, "Wow, these two guys are joined at the hip!"

[laughing]

I think sometimes we do bits that we think are so obvious,

but you're not the only one.

You got me.

You're not the only one that.

My neighbors would ask me about that, like," Are you leaving

so early because you gotta pick up JohnJay on the way to work?

And I'm like, "Yeah, that's why I'm leaving so early." so my alarm

is set as late as I possibly can.

Get up, shower, shave, do a little, like stretching and just to get

your body woken up and still get to the show and be able to do things.

Now, I don't have to get there that early, but I, like it because

I can read over kind of the stuff that we prepped the night before.

By the time the mics go on, it's six.

Then I feel like I'm fully caffeinated, stretched out, warmed up.

I'll, I sing on the way in to open up the voice.

Isn't it an underrated part of what you do is the

dedication and commitment to that

The prep?

Schedule.

Yeah, the prep too.

And the prep and all that kind of thing.

I think I told you guys I'm, this week, this weekend I'm hosting, Coast

to Coast AM, like an overnight radio show.

That's all live.

That's four hours that I'm doing Friday and Saturday.

That's eight hours of live radio, just me, after a whole week of JohnJay and Rich.

And then I prep about eight hours for each show because I don't wanna

go in and not have anything to say.

Yeah.

Or not know anything about whatever guests that they have on.

So…

I don't know how you do it, man.

Well, you love it.

That's amazing.

If you love.

I think this is the truth for everything.

If you love

Yeah.

What you do, then you do it to the best that you can do it.

You should love what you do.

It started for me cleaning bathrooms at grocery stores and mopping floors.

I remember thinking like, it.

I found it by accident, the "work hard" thing.

I was like, this shift's so early, it goes by fast if you're busy.

Because I would do sometimes I'd have to come in at like noon and

stay till 9:00 at the grocery store and emptying trash, hosing down the

meat department, hosing out the trash compactor, really gruesome stuff.

Cleaning the bathrooms, the women's bathrooms were always

a nightmare, always happening.

We were like, "I'm not doing this at home. I'm going to Dierberg's in St. Louis.

I'm going to tear up that bathroom." And I would have to clean those.

But I realized that in the morning, if I'd hustle, those

shifts would go by like that.

So I found worth, work ethic by a job that I didn't love going by fast.

Now, I love the radio.

I love popping open up the microphone and, introducing music and talking up the post.

That felt big time to me.

Those shifts would fly by, but then you do the opposite where you're

totally not a celebrity, you're literally cleaning up people's trash

[laughing] from different departments.

It gives you a little bit of balance, but it also makes you

realize Oh, they know that I'm on duty because the floors are clean.

They know that I'm on duty because the checkers don't have to empty

their trash cans themselves.

I took care of it." So I found a work ethic in between those things

of just having the grit to go.

And then when you find something you like, it's amazing.

Yeah.

When I sit down and help, I still help people write music.

I still go in the studio and play guitar on people's tracks.

And there's a lot of times where there's 12, 15 hours with no food

and you're in the studio and you're going because there's a vibe.

Mm.

The radio show's like that too.

I get kind of bummed when the, show's over.

I'm always ready to keep going.

I like it.

So fill in the blank.

It all ends In your career?

When what happens?

Oh, I'm probably gonna die behind the microphone.

Is that right?

And especially with the sleep schedule, probably next Thursday.

[laughing] Save this.

It'll be on.

And then I'll visit you as a ghost guest.

No, I, I, I talk about this with my wife too.

My wife has quite a few job ventures too.

She got five full-time jobs.

She makes me look like a slacker.

But I love creating things, so I'll always have to create something.

I love coaching.

I like entrepreneurship, starting something, creating something out

of nothing and watching it get legs.

I love it when my friends call who have an idea to start a business.

I'm like, "let's sketch it out.

Let's see where we can go.

Let's see if we can.

So what you don't have financing?

Let's find out which.

Why are we waiting?" I was kind of telling you guys before the break at

GCU, I did a little talk with their, their students in the broadcasting, and

they've got, this great equipment that they're interviewing. They're like, "How

do we start a podcast?" And I'm like, Look at all these microphones you have

here. Look at, look at all these things."

You've got better equipment than

- Rich Berra: Yeah.

I'm like, what are you waiting for?

Everybody else.

Yeah.

Why haven't you started?

What are you waiting for?

Go.

Because I feel like I was telling them, the reps matter.

The more you get on the mic, the more you talk to people, the more you do the thing.

You can't just go to school and learn how to do that thing and

be good at it out of the gate.

You gotta get good at it.

You gotta.

Same thing with bands.

You need to go play in bars.

You need to play in bars that don't like you.

You need to play in old phone.

You should be able to.

For me as an entertainer, you should be able to hand me a guitar

and put me in front of every two or 300 people, and I should be

able to entertain, at some point.

You should be able to turn that on and give them a show of some type.

Yeah.

And that, I don't think that does end.

I think that has to keep going.

Yeah.

I think that you should.

If you have any sort of talent, musical or other, I tell people

all the time, if you play an instrument, that's God's gift to you.

You need to have it, play in church, play in front of two people,

play in front of 2,000 people.

You gotta share your gift.

Yeah.

Whatever that gift is.

So big music guy.

Yeah.

What's your favorite era of music?

Oh, my gosh.

So you realize this is like asking, you know

I know.

God who his favorite child is?

I understand.

Because I mean

I understand.

I like music more than food and I like food.

My favorite era.

Let me say my favorite genre.

Okay.

Because that covers a lot of eras too.

Anything that makes me feel something.

Anything that gives me a feel.

Is that a genre?

Yeah, it is.

Because there's some music that doesn't.

I'm gonna search for that.

I'm gonna search

for

That.

I'm gonna tell you what doesn't make me feel anything.

Some offense, modern country doesn't make me feel anything.

It's

- Scott Leese: Yes.

…basic and I know what it's gonna be, and the chord

structure is simple, and I get that it has an audience, but it

doesn't make me feel like something.

You give me something in the orange, Zack Bryan, that makes me feel something.

Yes.

That's a different kind of country, right?

Yes.

Yes.

That's a different kinda.

You give me a Miranda Lambert Tin Man, rip your heart out with that song,

country, but it rips your heart out.

But if you just give me another, another whiskey song, I've heard all that.

I've done all that.

I think you always love the cars and the music that were popular

when you were in high school.

Mm-hmm.

You always remember the lyrics of things when you're in high school.

When I play guitar, I think all my stuff sounds like that stuff I

was listening to when I was first starting to learn how to drive.

So like for me, it would be like the 80s rock, like the AC/DC, Billy Squier,

Loverboy, like fun, uptempo, hooky.

Mm-hmm.

Like Super hooky, the Bryan Adams stuff.

That stuff I get excited when I hear.

In fact, I drove here listening to like some sort of 80s rock, but I love

90s, I love the 2000s, I love hip hop.

Hip hop makes me angry.

I love that.

So I would say it's not an era.

It's something that makes me feel something.

And there's music right now that is amazing.

A lot of people say new music isn't the same.

I would tell you, go listen to Stephen Sanchez who sounds like

he recorded in 1955 with a big old microphone, just like gut-wrenching

love ballads or Laufey from, Iceland.

You heard of her?

I have, but I don't remember too well.

She, she's like Billie Eilish that writes her own

orchestra pieces behind her music.

She does everything, right?

She does her whole

- Rich Berra: She does everything.

My son told me about her.

Yeah.

So there's tons of that stuff out there.

And I go find it on vinyl and I sit in my little music room and I get inside

the song and that's a happy place.

That also never ends.

That's awesome.

Who's the bigger music guy, you or JohnJay?

Oh, me for sure.

He thinks I'm a freak.

[laughing] He thinks I'm a freak.

Because I'll buy a car that has a pretty good audio system in it and I'll be

like, "I can't." He's like, "What do you mean?" "I can't." "Well, it's the best

they have." I'm like," It's the best they have, but it's not good enough." So

I'll get a Signature Audio and I'll have a. Like I have a Toyota out there that.

The Toyota's great, but the music just doesn't move me.

So I went to Signature Audio and they're like," We don't really do mini Toyota."

I'm like, "You're doing this one."

Yeah.

And I sit and I tune it all the time.

The car is just a mechanism by which you can listen to good music.

That is correct.

And I live far away, so I drive far and I listen to everybody

on the show thinks I'm a freak.

Everybody thinks I'm a freak.

It's so important to me, My wife will tell you too that I, I have a little studio

in my house where I'll go and record and I might write a song in 10 minutes, but

I'll tinker with it for 20 hours straight.

Wow.

It's like you get in that little space.

Anybody who gets those out, people probably are like

that with cooking, golfing.

Like I don't play golf, I'd rather play music, I don't

want to be obsessed anymore.

What's your number one songs played on your Spotify list?

I guess I could check.

You want me to look?

Gotta ask him.

Gotta ask him.

What's like one, two and three.

That's how you know

That's

THe end of the year reveal is always, is always a little

sketchy, like do I wanna share this?

Do I want everybody to know this?

No, see, that's kind of all over the place

because we use it on the show.

Okay.

Okay.

The number one all, of all time, pretty strong.

Thin Lizzy, "The Boys Are Back in Town."

Wow.

Really?

The boys are back in town.

Great song.

[laughing] Great song.

See, that makes you feel good.

I know what you mean about the feel good song.

I gotta know the story about very, very, very first time you met JohnJay.

Mm-hmm.

Like that first interaction.

Did he tell you that story?

Off camera.

We didn't get into it on the show.

No.

We talked about a little bit.

Okay.

We didn't get into it.

Our story.

Our being together is pretty funny.

I'm gonna encapsulate it because JohnJay says I take forever to tell the story.

I was working at Dallas at a rock station.

He was working at Houston as a country station.

We were both hosting our own shows.

And, I felt like I was kind of a. Well, I like bands.

I don't like solo artists as much as bands.

And I was looking for the band.

I'm like, "who am I gonna share this with? Who can I build this with?" And I went

to a radio conference in New Orleans.

It was right before the hurricane hit.

So that would've been 99, 2000.

Yeah.

Right before the big Katrina?

Katrina hit.

Yeah.

New Orleans.

It was the week before, actually.

And we're at a radio conference, and I'd kinda been.

"I need to find somebody to do a show with." And a bunch of people there

are like, You should talk to JohnJay.

Yo should talk to JohnJay." So we're in the hotel lobby.

There's casinos all around.

It's a. I finally meet him.

It's about midnight.

I don't know where he was coming back from.

I was coming back from a dinner, hanging out with my show.

And I introduced myself to him.

We sit down in chairs just like this in the lobby, and we start

talking and kinda goofing around.

And I noticed that there were other morning shows standing

around watching us talk.

They weren't one-upping, they weren't jumping in.

They were just watching us talk.

And I'm like, that could be a show." I went back to Dallas.

He went to Houston.

And I was what I like to call "liberated from my contract." [laughing]

and they were like, "Here's what.

We think you suck so bad, Rich, that we understand you get a contract.

Just don't come to work and we'll pay you everything just

to stay home." That feels good.

A lot of people love that thing, but I hated it because I couldn't do my thing.

So I called JohnJay, I'm like, I gotta do something.

Let's meet somewhere." And he was feeling like, he didn't love his job

either, but he wasn't ready to leave yet.

So we decided to meet in Austin at Stubbs Barbecue.

Oh, yeah.

And he brought his dad with him and we started talking and

we decided that I would drive down to Houston and stay at his place and

we would just do demo tapes together.

So we did, and then he was liberated from his contract like a week later,

both, like around the same month.

Wow.

So our show was pretty good.

I took it back and edited it and we started setting it all off.

As you can imagine, I put it together and JohnJay sent it all off.

So he already started with the PT Barnum.

And we had job offers in Washington, DC, Seattle, and the two that were bidding the

highest that were going back and forth, I had an agent, JohnJay didn't, but it was

between Cincinnati and Tucson, Arizona, to the point where moving trucks had come.

I'd moved out of my apartment.

Everything was on my moving truck and they're like, "Where are we going?"

Don't know.

And we didn't know.

Wow.

We didn't know until Tucson came together and we decided

on Tucson because JohnJay had family there, really wanted to be back.

Him and his wife had really wanted to be back around family.

And I'm like, "Well, this guy's pretty interesting. I think these shows will

be pretty good." And that station, KRQ in Tucson, even though it's a

smaller market, it's a big station.

It's a big top 40 station.

Sounds great.

The staff was great.

The promotions are great.

They didn't run it like a small time station.

And we though, maybe we'll get more than a couple of months to get our

show together and we went number one, I think, in the first ratings period by.

In fact, we've been number one there for 25 straight years in almost every demo.

[laughing] that city is so good to us.

Wow.

And then we grew out of there.

We grew there.

But the talk in Austin was really what did it, where

Wow.

We just kinda like, "Well, what would you wanna do?" And

I though he was just a unique guy.

He brought a scrapbook with him of things that he did in radio.

Really?

And that he had his dad with him there too.

I was gonna ask you, why did he bring his dad?

His dad was just hanging out and he's like, I'm gonna go meet this guy.

Come on with me." And I just loved that relationship that they had too.

I thought that was really, really cool.

That's awesome, man.

Now, if I would've asked my dad to come with me, he'd be

like, "I'm busy. I'm too busy to play grab ass with you and your friend."

Yeah.

Yeah.

[laughing] let us know what you're up to before we wrap up.

Okay.

We have this new term, Friends of Mike and Scott,

FOMAS, so we just made this up.

But we would love to have you guys together back on or

Yeah, we'd love to.

I'm serious.

Like this is so fun.

You guys

Have such great snacks.

We gotta complete the triangle.

[laughing] JohnJay, Rich, now we gotta get both of them at the same time.

That would be amazing.

Getting you two guys together.

I really appreciate it.

By the way, all the things you have going on, man, going off to college,

everything you have going on in the next 24 hours and you took time for us.

Of course.

We said we meet.

That the Midwest in me.

That means a lot to me.

You tell me to show up somewhere at Thursday at 12:30?

I'm there, bro.

No, he, he texted me back.

You don't even need to text.

I know.

The text goes, "What do you mean?

I'm gonna be there.

I'll be cracking the mic.

That's what I do, baby." So tell us what you're up to.

My family would never let me hear the end of it.

That's the thing.

Your people keep you humble too, right?

They keep you humble, they keep you honest, and they keep you on track.

If we say we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it.

I appreciate that.

I had to show up, in a full body cast, that would've been here.

Let's hope that doesn't have to happen.

So yeah, the end of the show promoting, of course, JohnJay and

Rich, JohnJayAndRich.com, on Instagram.

You can find us at JohnJayAndRich on YouTube.

If you wanna not listen and watch the show, there's that.

Please, if you have any way to support kids and foster, that is our Love Up.

And then, of course, JohnJay and his wife have Love Pup, which re-homes dogs.

And they don't charge for that.

We don't charge for homing children either, which is a good thing too.

So if you can get involved at all, even if it's just mentoring foster kids, you don't

always have to take them into your house.

We understand that's a big commitment, but there are, at this moment, 14,000 kids

in Arizona living not with their parents, living within the foster community.

We'd like to get that number down to zero.

Yeah.

And it takes everybody's help, and it takes all of us, getting

in and getting our nails dirty, and stepping up and telling kids that

have been, unfortunately severed from their parents that you matter.

We're trying to make a difference, you can make a difference, and

you're not trash, you matter.

Yeah.

So that's what I wanna say.

Thanks a lot, man.

Yeah.

I appreciate you coming on.

This is our goal.

Day one, is to get these two guys on,

Yeah, really?

Two-thirds.

We have.

Two-thirds of the way there.

Two

Guys are together.

I like what you guys have done with the place.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, man.

Hard to believe that this was Scott's apartment.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm big into interior design.

Apparently he's likes the modular look.

No.

He likes the modular look.

Yeah.

You can't see up a, it's all

This is beautiful.

What is this?

Etsy?

The setsy?

This is nice.

Rich Mahogany.

Yeah, Rich Mahogany.

Rich Corinthian leather.

It's Ikea, bro.

We gotta get JohnJay and Rich on the couch next year, but I really

appreciate you taking time today, man.

My pleasure.

Thanks everybody for joining us on another episode of

What's Your Story with Mike and Scott.

I'm Scott Leese.

This is my good friend, Mike Lindstrom.

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